Gaza turned into a concentration camp

@hcp_pro said in #30:

@ed01106

“From the River to the Sea” = genocide? No — that’s propaganda. It’s a political slogan, not a kill order. Zionists use “Greater Israel” and settle the West Bank. Does that mean every settler wants Arabs wiped out? By your logic — yes. But you won’t apply it both ways.

From the River to the Sea, requires the complete elimination of Jews in the Middle East. To deny that is to fail to understand what it means.

I am not a fan of annexing Gaza and the West Bank. However, they are not close to comparable.

"Greater Israel" and the annexing of the West Bank and Gaza would not wipe out all the Arabs in the Middle East. Even if Israel was to annex all of the West Bank and Gaza (an opinion held by only a very small minority of Israelis) Israel would have 0.16% of the land area of the Arab counties in the Middle East. That would hardly eliminate all Arabs from the Middle East, it would require that the descendants of Jordanian and Egyptian war refugees (caused by Jordan and Egypt's attempt to destroy Israel) relocate to Jordan, Egypt or other Arab/Muslim countries which have over 500 times the land mass of Israel. (not counting the Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Turkey, etc)

@ed01106 said in #31:

@ed01106

So now we're at “just relocate the Arabs” — textbook ethnic cleansing, framed as logistics.

You cry genocide over a chant, then calmly suggest millions of people — born and raised in Gaza — should be pushed into other countries because they have “more land.” That’s not a counter-argument. That’s settler colonialism, dressed up as math.

And no, “Greater Israel” isn’t about square kilometers — it’s about control, dominance, and erasing Palestinian nationhood. That’s why settlements keep expanding. That’s why Gaza is starved. That’s why two states were never allowed to happen.

You pretend annexation wouldn’t mean wiping anyone out — but you know damn well it means dispossession, statelessness, and subjugation. It already does.

Your logic: Jews resisting oppression = freedom. Palestinians resisting it = terror. And if they don’t like it? Leave.

Say that louder. Don’t hide it behind maps.

I laid out the facts. If you’re still defending displacement and siege by blaming slogans, go debate an AI. I’m not here to turn a chess site into a war room.

@hcp_pro said in #32:

@ed01106

So now we're at “just relocate the Arabs” — textbook ethnic cleansing, framed as logistics.

You cry genocide over a chant, then calmly suggest millions of people — born and raised in Gaza — should be pushed into other countries because they have “more land.” That’s not a counter-argument. That’s settler colonialism, dressed up as math.

And no, “Greater Israel” isn’t about square kilometers — it’s about control, dominance, and erasing Palestinian nationhood. That’s why settlements keep expanding. That’s why Gaza is starved. That’s why two states were never allowed to happen.

You pretend annexation wouldn’t mean wiping anyone out — but you know damn well it means dispossession, statelessness, and subjugation. It already does.

Your logic: Jews resisting oppression = freedom. Palestinians resisting it = terror. And if they don’t like it? Leave.

Say that louder. Don’t hide it behind maps.

I am not a supporter of the Greater Israel idea, I was pointing out that is not the same thing as the "River to the Sea" genocide demand. Until the Gazan's and others drop the requirement of the complete destruction of Israel, there isn't a path forward.

In 1948 many of the same countries who could take in these refugees expelled their Jewish populations, Israel absorbed these refuges. So this would just basically be the completion a trade. Or is expelling Jews out of Muslim counties okay and but Jews expelling Muslims not okay?

What Palestinian "nation" is being referenced? What is its Capital?

I know of Syria. Of Jordan. Of Egypt. And so forth. And I can find their capital. But where would the capital of "Palestine" be, if that be a nation?

I wish October 7 had not happened. So many people would be so much happier. May all concerned have better lives, and may we all learn from history so that its worst parts don't repeat.

@ed01106

Ah yes — “it’s just a population trade.” That’s not logic, that’s apartheid math.

Expulsions of Jews in 1948 were wrong. Doesn’t justify expelling Palestinians now. You don’t fix one ethnic cleansing by doing another. That’s not justice — that’s revenge dressed up as policy.

You say “no path forward until Palestinians drop their demands.” But Israel’s never dropped its expansion. Settlements grew under every government — peace talks or not.

You’re not offering peace. You’re offering surrender.

@Noflaps said in #35:

What Palestinian "nation" is being referenced? What is its Capital?

I know of Syria. Of Jordan. Of Egypt. And so forth. And I can find their capital. But where would the capital of "Palestine" be, if that be a nation?

Maybe you should ask Macron?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg5g4p3245o

@hcp_pro said in #36:

@ed01106

Expulsions of Jews in 1948 were wrong.
Glad to see you agree with that. Yet the international community has made absolutely no effort to rectify that.

You say “no path forward until Palestinians drop their demands.” But Israel’s never dropped its expansion. Settlements grew under every government — peace talks or not.

That is not true. Jews have been living in Gaza since the 2nd century BCE. In 2005 the whole of Gaza was turned over.

You’re not offering peace. You’re offering surrender.

Peace and surrender same thing the Allies required of Germany and Japan.

I asked the thread, @botliquor4547 . Is there an actual capital? If so, it can be named, can it not?

So why not just type the name?

I'm not going to watch some lengthy presentation to get the name of a city. I'm merely going to suspect that there isn't actually a name that can simply be typed.

Can you prove that simple suspicion wrong?

When an answer becomes over-complicated, it begins to feel more like distraction. It happens in debate, too -- a simple question that is hard to answer is usually met with a lot of talking.

@ed01106

You're now just repeating history cherry-picked to justify domination.

Jews lived in Gaza 2,000 years ago — so what? That doesn’t override who lives there now. By that logic, Rome should retake Britain.

Israel “turned over” Gaza in 2005 — but kept control of borders, air, sea, resources. That’s not freedom. That’s an open-air prison.

And no — peace ≠ surrender. Peace is mutual recognition. What you want is obedience under siege. Call it what it is.