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Why is this not a threefold?

#1

I used chess.com analysis (as I don't think Lichess automatically puts threefold as a draw) for a game that I played otb, why is this not a draw? Chess.com didn't automatically mark it, and I checked some other lines and It did say other times there were three folds. Me and my opponent called the TD, and he marked it as a draw, so is the TD wrong?! Here is the game. Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black. Hmmmm did chess.com malfunction?!

  1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d3 dxe4 4. dxe4 Qxd1+ 5. Kxd1 Bg4 6. Be2 Bxf3 7. Bxf3 Nd7
  2. Be3 h5 9. Nd2 g6 10. Be2 Bh6 11. Bxh6 Nxh6 12. f3 e6 13. a4 a5 14. c3 Nc5 15.
    Kc2 Kd7 16. Nc4 Kc7 17. Rhd1 b6 18. b3 f6 19. h4 Rhd8 20. Rxd8 Rxd8 21. b4 axb4
  3. cxb4 Na6 23. Kc3 Nf7 24. e5 f5 25. f4 Kb7 26. b5 Nc7 27. bxc6+ Kxc6 28. Ne3
    Nh6 29. Kc4 Ng4 30. Bf3+ Kd7 31. Nxg4 hxg4 32. Rd1+ Ke7 33. Rxd8 Kxd8 34. Bc6
    Kc8 35. Kb4 Kb8 36. Kc4 Kc8 37. Kd3 Kd8 38. Kd4 Kc8 39. Ke3 Kd8 40. Kd4 Kc8 41.
    Kd3 Kd8 42. Kc3 Kc8 43. Kc4 *
I used chess.com analysis (as I don't think Lichess automatically puts threefold as a draw) for a game that I played otb, why is this not a draw? Chess.com didn't automatically mark it, and I checked some other lines and It did say other times there were three folds. Me and my opponent called the TD, and he marked it as a draw, so is the TD wrong?! Here is the game. Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black. Hmmmm did chess.com malfunction?! 1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d3 dxe4 4. dxe4 Qxd1+ 5. Kxd1 Bg4 6. Be2 Bxf3 7. Bxf3 Nd7 8. Be3 h5 9. Nd2 g6 10. Be2 Bh6 11. Bxh6 Nxh6 12. f3 e6 13. a4 a5 14. c3 Nc5 15. Kc2 Kd7 16. Nc4 Kc7 17. Rhd1 b6 18. b3 f6 19. h4 Rhd8 20. Rxd8 Rxd8 21. b4 axb4 22. cxb4 Na6 23. Kc3 Nf7 24. e5 f5 25. f4 Kb7 26. b5 Nc7 27. bxc6+ Kxc6 28. Ne3 Nh6 29. Kc4 Ng4 30. Bf3+ Kd7 31. Nxg4 hxg4 32. Rd1+ Ke7 33. Rxd8 Kxd8 34. Bc6 Kc8 35. Kb4 Kb8 36. Kc4 Kc8 37. Kd3 Kd8 38. Kd4 Kc8 39. Ke3 Kd8 40. Kd4 Kc8 41. Kd3 Kd8 42. Kc3 Kc8 43. Kc4 *
#2

Also please no unrelated comments blaming me for using chess.com

Also please no unrelated comments blaming me for using chess.com
#3

Here is the game. Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black.
Look closely at your own words. A different player has the move, therefore not the same position.

If both of you really called the TD as some sort of mutual draw claim, well, a draw claim always counts as a draw offer as well. If both players are offering a draw (even if one of them does it on their opponent's turn), well, that's the same as agreeing to a draw.

> Here is the game. Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black. Look closely at your own words. A different player has the move, therefore not the same position. If both of you really called the TD as some sort of mutual draw claim, well, a draw claim always counts as a draw offer as well. If both players are offering a draw (even if one of them does it on their opponent's turn), well, that's the same as agreeing to a draw.
#4

Ohh hmm I thought of that but the td said if the position occurs three times then it’s a draw. Weird ig I’ll keep that in mind next time. Thanks for the answer! :)

Ohh hmm I thought of that but the td said if the position occurs three times then it’s a draw. Weird ig I’ll keep that in mind next time. Thanks for the answer! :)
#5

Nah my opponent declined, he was higher rated. (Around 100 uscf higher)

Nah my opponent declined, he was higher rated. (Around 100 uscf higher)
#6

@KingOf64_2014 said in #1:

Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black. Hmmmm did chess.com malfunction?!

Nope, that's not a repetition because it's Black's turn in the last move but White's in the other two. The hint is in your own wording--you said "for white" for the last move but "for black" for the other two.

@KingOf64_2014 said in #1: > Look closely at moves 43 for white, 36 for black, and 34 for black. Hmmmm did chess.com malfunction?! Nope, that's not a repetition because it's Black's turn in the last move but White's in the other two. The hint is in your own wording--you said "for white" for the last move but "for black" for the other two.
#7

You got really lucky there, finding an incompetent (or "useless" - FC) arbiter there, and an opponent who didn't seem to know the rule as well. Knowing the rules well helps, and a reminder to the arbiter to check the rules would/should have cleared things up quickly, and left you with a time penalty.

Quite amazing incident regarding your decent rating, and your opponent's even higher one.

Reminds me of a story someone told me about cricket.... so many rules, that not even the players know them all. :-)

You got really lucky there, finding an incompetent (or "useless" - FC) arbiter there, and an opponent who didn't seem to know the rule as well. Knowing the rules well helps, and a reminder to the arbiter to check the rules would/should have cleared things up quickly, and left you with a time penalty. Quite amazing incident regarding your decent rating, and your opponent's even higher one. Reminds me of a story someone told me about cricket.... so many rules, that not even the players know them all. :-)
#8

i think this means you got into a vampire position

there's a blog post on it.

i think this means you got into a vampire position there's a blog post on it.
#10

That's what you get for using chess.crum!

That's what you get for using chess.crum!

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